Bobby Gerhart

Bobby Gerhart
BobbyGerhartWinstonCupEvent.jpg
Gerhart in the 1980s
NationalityUnited States American
BornRobert Gerhart Jr.
(1958-07-21) July 21, 1958 (age 62)
Lebanon, Pennsylvania
ARCA Menards Series career
Debut season1988
Current teamGerhart Racing
Car number5
Starts341
Wins9
Poles9
Best finish2nd in 2006
Awards
1988ARCA Permatex Super Car Series Rookie of the Year
NASCAR Cup Series career
24 races run over 9 years
1992 position57th
Best finish44th (1985)
First race1983 Van Scoy Diamond Mine 500 (Pocono)
Last race1992 DieHard 500 (Talladega)
Wins Top tens Poles
0 0 0
NASCAR Xfinity Series career
18 races run over 7 years
2016 position60th
Best finish60th (2016)
First race2001 Jani-King 300 (Texas)
Last race2016 Subway Firecracker 250 (Daytona)
Wins Top tens Poles
0 0 0
NASCAR Camping World Truck Series career
10 races run over 6 years
2019 position64th
Best finish45th (2017)
First race1996 Stevens Beil/Genuine Parts 200 (Flemington)
Last race2019 NextEra Energy 250 (Daytona)
Wins Top tens Poles
0 0 0
Statistics current as of November 18, 2019.

Robert Gerhart Jr.[1] (born July 21, 1958) is an American retired professional stock car racing driver. He last competed in the ARCA Menards Series, driving Chevrolet SS for Gerhart Racing and the No. 63 Chevy Silverado for his own team in a joint effort with the MB Motorsports team in the Camping World Truck Series. He has won nine times on the ARCA circuit, eight of those victories coming in the season-opening ARCA Daytona 200 at Daytona International Speedway (2012, 2011, 2010, 2007, 2006, 2005, 2002 and 1999).

Racing career

Gerhart in 1984 at Pocono

Early racing career

Gerhart began racing at Linda's Speedway, where he won his first feature race. He eventually competed in many dirt modified series throughout his home state of Pennsylvania, often competing at Penn National and Susquehanna Speedway. He eventually moved to asphalt racing and competed at Pocono Raceway.

ARCA Menards Series

Gerhart's No. 5 car competing at Kentucky Speedway.

In 1988, Gerhart began competing in the ARCA Series and was named Rookie of the Year that season. He has competed in that series on a regular basis since then, returning to NASCAR in 1996 to drive in the Craftsman Truck Series. He and his No. 85 Chevrolet Silverado qualified three times and had a best finish of 15th. He returned to Cup in 1998 attempting to qualify the No. 54 and eventually the No. 89 Chevrolet after picking up sponsorship from Kewadin Casinos. He was unable to qualify for those three attempts, but was able to win the season-opening ARCA race at Daytona in 1999, and went on to finish 3rd in points that year.

Gerhart's No. 5 in 2017 at Road America
Gerhart in the ARCA Racing Series at Road America in 2017.

Since that time, Gerhart has competed in a mostly limited schedule in ARCA. The lone exception was the 2006 season where he ran full-time and finished second in points. From 2005–2007 and again in 2010-12, he won the season opening race at Daytona.

NASCAR

He made his NASCAR debut in 1983 at Pocono, finishing thirty-eighth in the Henley Gray-owned Buick. He ran Winston Cup races at Pocono, Dover International Speedway, North Wilkesboro Speedway, Michigan International Speedway, and Daytona International Speedway over the next five years in the #71, #85, #25, and #59 Chevrolets with a best finish of 19th.

He made his first starts in the NASCAR Busch Series in 2001, driving four times in his #65 and having a best finish of 22nd. In 2009, Gerhart returned again to NASCAR in the Nationwide Series to drive the #75 for Bob Schacht. At his first race at Talladega Superspeedway, he qualified fifth and ran in the top-twenty for most of the day before wrecking. In 2013, it was announced that Gerhart would attempt to qualify for the DRIVE4COPD 300 in a car owned by him and his brother William Gerhart, numbered 85. However, Gerhart failed to qualify.[2] Gerhart ran a few Nationwide Series races later in the year.

He qualified for the 2014 DRIVE4COPD 300, finishing 33rd.[3] Gerhart failed to qualify his first 2 attempts at Daytona and Talladega in his own 85 car. Gerhart was named as the driver of the JD Motorsports No. 0 Chevrolet Camaro replacing Harrison Rhodes in Chicagoland. Gerhart qualified for the July race in Daytona, finishing 22nd. In October, Gerhart made his first NASCAR Camping World Truck Series start since 1996 driving the 36 truck for MB Motorsports with sponsorship from long time partner Lucas Oil. Gerhart finished 12th after spending most of the race towards the front of the field. Gerhart plans to do the Daytona triple in 2016, running the ARCA race, the NASCAR Camping World Truck race, and the Xfinity Series race.

Personal life

Gerhart's brother Billy serves as his crew chief. Their father is former Eastern Modified champion Bobby Gerhart, Sr. Gerhart, Sr. began his racing career in Pennsylvania in 1954, and was inducted into the Eastern Motorsport Press Association Hall of Fame in 2002. Other family members in racing include Deacon Gerhart and Dave Gerhart.[1][4][5] Gerhart owns Bobby Gerhart's Truck World, a used truck dealership in his hometown.[6]

Prior to the start of the 2020 season, Gerhart suffered a heart attack, forcing him into retirement.[7]

Motorsports career results

NASCAR

(key) (Bold – Pole position awarded by qualifying time. Italics – Pole position earned by points standings or practice time. * – Most laps led.)

Nextel Cup Series

NASCAR Nextel Cup Series results
Year Team No. Make 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 NNCC Pts
1983 Gray Racing 19 Buick DAY RCH CAR ATL DAR NWS MAR TAL NSV DOV BRI CLT RSD POC
38
MCH DAY NSV POC
34
TAL MCH BRI DAR RCH DOV MAR NWS CLT CAR ATL RSD 82nd 110
1984 Gerhart Racing 71 Chevy DAY RCH CAR ATL BRI NWS DAR MAR TAL NSV DOV CLT RSD POC
34
MCH DAY NSV POC
38
TAL 50th 262
59 MCH
DNQ
BRI DAR RCH
DNQ
DOV
39
MAR CLT NWS
19
CAR ATL RSD
1985 25 DAY RCH CAR ATL BRI DAR NWS
27
MAR TAL DOV CLT RSD POC
31
MCH DAY POC
24
TAL MCH
25
BRI DAR RCH DOV MAR NWS
24
CLT CAR ATL RSD 44th 422
1986 85 DAY RCH CAR ATL BRI DAR NWS
DNQ
MAR TAL DOV CLT RSD POC
34
MCH DAY POC
28
TAL GLN MCH
22
BRI DAR RCH DOV MAR NWS CLT
DNQ
CAR ATL
35
RSD 57th 295
1987 DAY CAR RCH ATL DAR NWS BRI MAR TAL CLT DOV POC
39
RSD MCH
DNQ
DAY POC
28
TAL GLN MCH BRI DAR RCH DOV
DNQ
MAR NWS
DNQ
CLT CAR RSD ATL
DNQ
75th 125
1988 DAY
DNQ
RCH CAR ATL DAR BRI NWS MAR TAL CLT DOV RSD POC
22
MCH DAY POC
26
TAL GLN MCH BRI DAR RCH DOV
DNQ
MAR CLT NWS CAR PHO ATL 55th 182
1989 DAY
DNQ
CAR ATL RCH DAR BRI NWS MAR TAL
DNQ
CLT DOV SON 72nd 94
Olds POC
23
MCH DAY POC TAL GLN MCH BRI DAR RCH DOV MAR CLT NWS CAR PHO ATL
1990 Chevy DAY
DNQ
RCH CAR ATL DAR BRI NWS MAR TAL
DNQ
CLT DOV
33
SON POC MCH DAY POC
DNQ
TAL GLN MCH BRI DAR RCH DOV MAR NWS CLT CAR PHO ATL 91st 64
1991 DAY RCH CAR ATL DAR BRI NWS MAR TAL CLT DOV
DNQ
SON POC MCH DAY POC
DNQ
TAL GLN MCH BRI DAR RCH DOV MAR NWS CLT CAR PHO ATL NA -
1992 DAY CAR RCH ATL DAR BRI NWS MAR TAL CLT DOV SON POC
32
MCH DAY
37
POC TAL
34
GLN MCH BRI DAR RCH DOV MAR NWS CLT CAR PHO ATL 57th 180
1998 Gerhart Racing 54 Chevy DAY CAR LVS ATL DAR BRI TEX MAR TAL CAL CLT DOV RCH MCH POC SON NHA POC IND GLN MCH BRI NHA DAR RCH DOV MAR CLT TAL
DNQ
DAY PHO CAR ATL NA -
1999 89 DAY CAR LVS ATL DAR TEX BRI MAR TAL CAL RCH CLT DOV MCH POC SON DAY NHA POC IND GLN MCH BRI DAR RCH NHA DOV MAR CLT TAL
DNQ
CAR PHO HOM ATL NA -
2000 DAY
DNQ
CAR LVS ATL DAR BRI TEX MAR TAL CAL RCH CLT DOV MCH POC SON DAY NHA POC IND GLN MCH BRI DAR RCH NHA DOV MAR CLT TAL CAR PHO HOM ATL NA -
2002 Gerhart Racing 59 Pontiac DAY
DNQ
CAR LVS ATL DAR BRI TEX MAR TAL
DNQ
CAL RCH CLT DOV POC MCH SON DAY CHI NHA POC IND GLN MCH BRI DAR RCH NHA DOV KAN TAL CLT MAR ATL CAR PHO HOM NA -
2005 Roush Racing 99 Ford DAY CAL LVS ATL BRI MAR TEX PHO TAL DAR RCH CLT DOV POC MCH SON DAY CHI NHA POC
QL
IND GLN MCH BRI CAL RCH NHA DOV TAL KAN CLT MAR ATL TEX PHO HOM NA -
- Qualified for Carl Edwards
Daytona 500
Year Team Manufacturer Start Finish
1988 Gerhart Racing Chevy DNQ
1989 DNQ
1990 DNQ
2000 Gerhart Racing Chevy DNQ
2002 Gerhart Racing Pontiac DNQ

Xfinity Series

NASCAR Xfinity Series results
Year Team No. Make 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 NXSC Pts
2001 Gerhart Racing 65 Chevy DAY CAR LVS ATL DAR BRI TEX
40
NSH TAL
22
CAL RCH NHA
26
NZH
33
CLT DOV KEN MLW GLN CHI GTY PPR IRP MCH BRI DAR RCH DOV KAN CLT MEM PHO CAR HOM 69th 289
2003 Gerhart Racing 55 Pontiac DAY CAR LVS DAR BRI TEX TAL
DNQ
NSH CAL RCH GTY NZH CLT DOV NSH KEN MLW DAY
24
CHI NHA PPR IRP MCH BRI DAR RCH DOV KAN CLT MEM ATL PHO CAR HOM 126th 91
2009 Bob Schacht Motorsports 75 Chevy DAY CAL LVS BRI TEX NSH PHO TAL
33
RCH DAR CLT DOV NSH KEN MLW NHA DAY
20
CHI GTY IRP IOW GLN MCH BRI CGV ATL RCH DOV KAN CAL CLT MEM TEX PHO HOM 106th 167
2010 5 DAY
20
CAL LVS BRI NSH PHO TEX 96th 191
75 TAL
25
RCH DAR DOV CLT NSH KEN ROA NHA DAY CHI GTY IRP IOW GLN MCH BRI CGV ATL RCH DOV KAN CAL CLT GTY TEX PHO HOM
2013 Gerhart Racing 85 Chevy DAY
DNQ
PHO LVS BRI CAL TEX RCH TAL
31
DAR CLT DOV IOW MCH ROA KEN DAY
29
NHA CHI IND IOW GLN MOH BRI ATL RCH CHI KEN DOV KAN CLT TEX PHO HOM 70th 28
2014 DAY
33
PHO LVS BRI CAL TEX DAR RCH TAL
36
IOW CLT DOV MCH ROA KEN DAY
DNQ
NHA CHI IND IOW GLN MOH BRI ATL RCH CHI KEN DOV KAN CLT TEX PHO HOM 68th 19
2015 DAY
DNQ
ATL LVS PHO CAL TEX BRI RCH TAL
DNQ
IOW CLT DOV MCH DAY
22
KEN NHA IND IOW GLN MOH BRI ROA DAR RCH CHI KEN DOV CLT KAN TEX PHO HOM 63rd 30
JD Motorsports 0 Chevy CHI
36
2016 Gerhart Racing 85 Chevy DAY
39
ATL LVS PHO CAL TEX BRI RCH TAL
33
DOV CLT POC MCH IOW DAY
24
KEN NHA IND IOW GLN MOH BRI ROA DAR RCH CHI KEN DOV CLT KAN TEX PHO HOM 60th 27

Gander Outdoors Truck Series

NASCAR Gander Outdoors Truck Series results
Year Team No. Make 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 NGOTC Pts
1996 Gerhart Racing 85 Chevy HOM PHO POR EVG TUS CNS HPT BRI NZH MLW LVL I70 IRP FLM
26
GLN
27
NSV RCH NHA
15
MAR NWS SON MMR PHO LVS 66th 285
2015 Gerhart Racing 36 Chevy DAY ATL MAR KAN CLT DOV TEX GTW IOW KEN ELD POC MCH BRI MSP CHI NHA LVS TAL
12
MAR TEX PHO HOM 97th 01
2016 DAY
12
ATL MAR KAN DOV CLT TEX IOW GTW KEN ELD POC BRI MCH MSP CHI NHA LVS TAL
17
MAR TEX PHO HOM 89th 01
2017 63 DAY
21
ATL MAR KAN CLT DOV TEX GTW IOW KEN ELD POC MCH BRI MSP CHI NHA LVS TAL
11
MAR TEX PHO HOM 45th 42
2018 DAY
DNQ
ATL
LVS MAR DOV KAN CLT TEX IOW GTW CHI KEN ELD POC MCH BRI MSP LVS TAL
23
MAR TEX PHO HOM 74th 14
2019 Copp Motorsports DAY
11
ATL LVS MAR TEX DOV KAN CLT TEX IOW GTW CHI KEN POC ELD MCH BRI MSP LVS TAL MAR PHO HOM 64th 26

ARCA Menards Series

(key) (Bold – Pole position awarded by qualifying time. Italics – Pole position earned by points standings or practice time. * – Most laps led.)

ARCA Menards Series results
Year Team No. Make 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 AMSC Pts
1988 Gerhart Racing 85 Chevy DAY
13
ATL
27
TAL
19
PCS
4
POC
6
WIN ACS
18
POC
11
TAL
6
DEL
4
FRS
10
ISF
11
DSF
7
SLM
7
ATL
15
8th 2975
Olds FRS
17
Buick ROC
25
KIL
13
SLM
9
1989 Chevy DAY
36
ATL
31
KIL
11
TAL
26
FRS HAG
3
ISF
26
TOL DSF SLM ATL 21st 880
Olds POC
25
KIL POC
7
TAL
4
DEL FRS
1990 Chevy DAY
14
ATL
11
KIL
11
TAL
28
FRS
8
POC
7
KIL TOL HAG
12
TAL
28
ISF
26
TOL DSF
18
WIN DEL ATL
7
9th 2305
Olds POC
8
MCH
20
1991 Chevy DAY
12
ATL
12
KIL
5
TAL
7
TOL
14
FRS
13
POC
6
MCH
11
KIL
5
FRS
3
DEL
15
POC
6
TAL
24
HPT
4
MCH
9
ISF
22
TOL
8
DSF
22
TWS
4
ATL
28
5th 4565
1992 DAY
22
FIF TWS
23
TAL
37
TOL KIL POC
27
MCH FRS KIL NSH DEL POC TWS
24
SLM ATL 31st
Buick HPT
21
FRS ISF TOL DSF
1993 Chevy DAY
32
FIF TWS TAL KIL CMS FRS TOL POC MCH FRS POC KIL ISF DSF TOL SLM WIN ATL 116th
1994 DAY
35
TAL
15
FIF LVL KIL TOL FRS MCH DMS POC
31
POC
7
KIL FRS INF I70 ISF DSF TOL SLM WIN ATL 40th 480
1995 DAY
37
ATL TAL
12
FIF KIL FRS MCH I80 MCS FRS POC
24
POC
25
KIL FRS SBS LVL ISF DSF SLM WIN ATL
26
44th 780
1996 DAY
10
ATL SLM TAL
7
FIF LVL CLT CLT KIL FRS POC
5
MCH
8
FRS TOL POC
17
MCH
29
INF SBS ISF DSF KIL SLM WIN CLT ATL
27
34th
1997 DAY
17
ATL
36
SLM CLT CLT
13
POC
20
MCH
26
SBS TOL KIL FRS MIN
5
POC
5
MCH
4
DSF
22
GTW
8
SLM WIN CLT
36
TAL
3
ISF
5
ATL
8
10th 2245
1998 5 DAY
8
ATL
31
SLM CLT
21
MEM
6
MCH
4
POC
17
SBS TOL PPR
27
POC
22
KIL FRS ISF
36
ATL
9
DSF
29
SLM TEX
4
WIN CLT
11
TAL
30
ATL
10
14th 2425
1999 DAY
1*
ATL
6
SLM
21
AND
14
CLT
5
MCH
5
POC
7
TOL
7
SBS
8
BLN
11
POC
9
KIL
23
FRS
14
FLM
2
ISF
8
WIN
14
DSF
11
SLM
8
CLT
30
TAL
37
ATL
11
3rd 4890
2000 DAY
2
SLM
27
AND
2
CLT
28
KIL
5
FRS
12
MCH
35
POC
17
TOL
4
KEN
12
BLN
14
POC
18
WIN
4
ISF
6
KEN
5
DSF
12
SLM
11
CLT
26
TAL
5
ATL
16
5th 4330
2001 DAY
6
NSH WIN SLM GTY KEN CLT KAN MCH
28
POC
6
MEM POC
30
NSH ISF CHI DSF SLM TOL BLN CLT 37th 970
Steele Racing 16 Chevy GLN
17
KEN MCH
Gerhart Racing 5 Pontiac TAL
1*
ATL
2002 DAY
1*
ATL NSH SLM KEN CLT KAN TAL
26
CLT 27th 1195
Chevy POC
5
MCH
7
TOL SBO
4
KEN BLN POC
4
NSH ISF WIN DSF CHI SLM
2003 Pontiac DAY
14*
ATL NSH SLM TOL KEN CLT BLN KAN MCH
20
POC
7
POC
32
NSH ISF WIN
11
DSF CHI TAL
36
CLT 21st 1305
Chevy LER
7
SLM
29
SBO
14
2004 DAY
6
NSH SLM KEN TOL CLT KAN MCH
8
SBO
14
BLN LER
7
TOL
4
DSF CHI SLM TAL
20
19th 2030
Pontiac POC
5
GTW
9
POC
3
7 KEN
10
NSH
27
ISF
2005 5 Chevy DAY
1*
NSH
41
SLM KEN TOL
16
LAN MIL
5
POC
10
MCH
34
KAN
4
KEN
9
BLN POC
7
GTW
12
LER
5
NSH
15
MCH ISF TOL
11
DSF CHI
16
SLM TAL
3
20th 2555
2006 DAY
1*
NSH
16
SLM
3
WIN
5
KEN
20
TOL
10
POC
5
MCH
15
KAN
6
KEN
8
BLN
15
POC
6
GTW
15
NSH
7
MCH
18
ISF
27
MIL
10
TOL
26
DSF
8
CHI
17
SLM
8
TAL
7
IOW
14
2nd 5265
2007 DAY
1*
USA
26
NSH
14
KAN
9
WIN
4
KEN
11
TOL
5
IOW
6
POC
10
MCH
11
BLN
6
KEN
22
POC
28
NSH ISF MIL GTW DSF CHI SLM TAL TOL 19th 2845
Pontiac SLM
27
2008 Chevy DAY
4
SLM
23
IOW
15
KAN
21
CAR
41
KEN
16
TOL
17
POC
4
MCH
17
CAY KEN
32
BLN POC
23
NSH
22
ISF DSF CHI
13
SLM NJE TAL
3
TOL
23
22nd 2590
2009 DAY
19
SLM CAR TAL
26
KEN TOL POC
12
MCH
14
MFD IOW KEN
15
BLN POC
9
ISF CHI
14
TOL DSF NJE SLM KAN
20
CAR 30th 1195
2010 DAY
1*
PBE SLM TEX TAL
28
TOL POC
9
MCH
14
IOW
26
MFD POC
14
BLN NJE ISF CHI
9
DSF TOL SLM KAN
17
CAR 23rd 1260
2011 DAY
1*
TAL
3
SLM TOL NJE CHI
22
POC
13
MCH
12
WIN BLN IOW
31
IRP
18
POC
18
ISF MAD DSF SLM KAN
22
TOL
19
20th 1515
2012 DAY
1
MOB SLM TAL
42
TOL
20
ELK POC
25
MCH
27
WIN NJE IOW
14
CHI
17
IRP
19
POC
16
BLN ISF MAD SLM DSF KAN
20
24th 1310
2013 DAY
29*
MOB SLM TAL
24
TOL
16
ELK POC
19
MCH ROA WIN CHI NJE POC
17
BLN
13
ISF
15
MAD DSF IOW
20
SLM KEN
13
KAN
17
16th 1655
2014 DAY
6
MOB SLM TAL
7
TOL NJE POC
12
MCH ELK WIN CHI IRP
18
POC
23
BLN ISF MAD DSF SLM KEN
17
KAN
27
27th 1065
2015 DAY
39
MOB NSH SLM TAL
26
TOL
32
NJE POC
9
MCH CHI
11
WIN IOW
16
IRP
14
POC
9
BLN ISF DSF SLM KEN
25
KAN 25th 1125
2016 DAY
37
NSH SLM TAL
20
TOL NJE POC
16
MCH MAD WIN IOW IRP
11
POC
27
BLN ISF DSF SLM CHI
16
KEN KAN 36th 750
2017 DAY
15
NSH
24
SLM TAL
7
TOL
13
ELK POC
17
MCH MAD IOW IRP
12
POC
19
WIN
18
ISF 18th 1360
Ford ROA
17
DSF SLM CHI KEN KAN
2018 Chevy DAY
12
NSH SLM TAL
8
TOL CLT POC
16
MCH MAD GTW
14
CHI IOW ELK POC
24
ISF BLN
20
DSF SLM IRP
17
KAN 23rd 975
2019 DAY
13
FIF SLM TAL
13
NSH TOL CLT POC
16
MCH MAD GTW CHI ELK IOW POC
12
ISF
14
DSF
12
SLM IRP
11
KAN 22nd 1155

* Season still in progress
1 Ineligible for series points

References

  1. ^ a b "Gerhart family celebrates 50 years of racing in '03; and it starts at Daytona". Lebanon, Pennsylvania: Automobile Racing Club of America. February 1, 2003. Archived from the original on June 24, 2015. Retrieved June 24, 2015.
  2. ^ "2013 DRIVE4COPD 300". Racing-Reference. USA Today Sports Media Group. Retrieved September 9, 2013.
  3. ^ "2014 DRIVE4COPD 300". Racing-Reference. USA Today Sports Media Group. Retrieved February 22, 2014.
  4. ^ "GERHART SR; PENNSYLVANIA LEGEND; TO BE INDUCTED INTO EMPA HALL OF FAME SATURDAY". Automobile Racing Club of America. September 6, 2005. Retrieved June 24, 2015.
  5. ^ Press Release (May 1, 2014). "Bobby Gerhart to make 300th career ARCA start at Talladega; crediting an old friend; live Saturday on FOX Sports 1". Catchfence.com. Talladega, Alabama. Retrieved June 24, 2015.
  6. ^ "Bobby Gerhart's Truck World: About Us". Archived from the original on June 14, 2020.
  7. ^ "Gerhart Suffers Heart Attack, Not Racing At Daytona". Speed Sport. January 2, 2020. Archived from the original on October 31, 2020. Retrieved February 2, 2021.

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